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Donald H Taylor

Hi Phil

Why include a year in the tag? Well, what will Web 2.0 Expo use for the hashtag next year? Ideally you put the year on the end of the tag so that people can search either for *all* years', or just *this* year's event.

Also - although Twitter's an important place for hashtags, it's not the only one. Blogs, wikis, press releases, comments anywhere can all use the hashtag. It's a step back towards taxonomy from folksonomy because when you have a lot of information available, finding what you want fast is important - I guess that's something librarians and programmers both recognise!

Cheers

Don


Phil Bradley

Hi Don,
Thanks for taking the time to reply. A quick answer is that Twitter is so bad at storing and retrieving information I doubt that the content we have today will be accessible from Twitter in a years time. Try it yourself - see how much content you can get from searching for something that's a year old, chances are high that there's nothing there. Secondly, if Twitter does work it out you can use their search option to exclude material that's been posted before a specific date. Third, Twitter is really designed to be a real time communication resource, and that's what it excels at. I'd expect a conference organiser to actually gather the tweets and make them available in one single place, the way that @DaveP did with the #cilip2 resources, so that they can be saved, archived and made available for searching in the future without relying on Twitter. So I'd say that next years Web 2 Expo will probably use the same tag, and it's not going to cause *any* problems. I remain entirely unconvinced that it's necessary to put a date into a tag unless there's a very good reason. An annual conference isn't a good enough reason IMO.

I think your second point is a good one though, but equally it's reasonable to expect that if anyone is searching for specific content they're going to be able to limit by date in their search. Sure, anywhere can use a tag, but I'd have thought most searches would be more inclined to use the full name of a conference initially, because they're not going to know the hashtag that's being used! It's not going to take them long to find the appropriate site, see the hashtag and search on that.

Still not convinced. :)

Phil.

Bradley Holt

Phil, I agree with most everything you've said here. People forget that hashtags are just tags - or folksonomy. A tag is simply part of a shared vocabulary. As long as people have a shared understanding of the meaning of a tag it doesn't matter what the actual tag is. One additional consideration: it can be very useful to use the *same* tag across multiple sites (e.g. Twitter, blog posts, Flickr, Delicious). I've seen this done at several conferences and it works quite well. We've actually built a site - http://tagnabit.net/ - that lets people aggregate any single tag across multiple sites. So, one other thing to consider when choosing a conference tag :-)

S.W.Schilke

Well think about the hashtag as a kind of brand extension - that's why we use #INC2010 which is our hashtag for our International Network Conference in 2010 in Heidelberg, Germany (please see http://www.inc2010.org for details). We use the year because 2010 in the hashtag as we are organizing the conference - the next conference will have other organizers (like a challenge cup ;-) but all conferences are INC

Arne van Elk

Hi Phil, it's interesting that you mention the #ala09-hashtag. I'm just reading this post comparing the different hashtags being used at the conference: http://bit.ly/sir2U
Actually the 'official' hastag was #ala2009. But what's official about hashtags? :-)

Eric Hellman

In addition to the post by Arne van Elk, I posted an article about conference hashtags at http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/2009/06/conference-hashtags-dont-evolve.html A key point is that the hashtags try to avoid collisions.

Also, the umbrella conference had a rare hashtag divergence, with #cilipumbrella barely beating out #umb in number of tweets, 63 to 53

JamesM

Phil really interesting post I'd never really thought about hashtags in much detail until now. I have to say using a number/date in a hashtag does seems a bit odd because as you say you know the event or topic is happening right now. I don't need to know it is 2009.

I suppose the other thing around naming is the longer ones tend to be by librarians we want to make things as descriptive as possible, even if that then means we are limited in how much we can post to Twitter.

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